Feb 24, 2016
Important Changes to Mandrill
Update (3/17/16): If you already have a paid monthly MailChimp account and merge it with an existing Mandrill account by April 27, your first million monthly Mandrill email credits will be free for a year.
Update (3/16/16): Mandrill is now an add-on for paid monthly MailChimp accounts, and is no longer available as a standalone service. Existing Mandrill users have until April 27, 2016 to merge their Mandrill account with a MailChimp account. See this article for additional details, including pricing information and instructions for merging your accounts.
Update (2/29/16): SparkPost has offered to take on any departing Mandrill users and to honor Mandrill’s pricing for those users.
Update (2/25/16): We’ve published an FAQ article in Mandrill’s Knowledge Base that provides more information about the transition. We’ll continue updating that article as new questions arise.
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Today, my team is sending an email to all Mandrill users about some changes our business is making in the coming weeks. I’ll explain the changes in detail below, but here’s a summary: Mandrill is becoming a transactional email add-on to paid MailChimp accounts instead of a completely separate product.
Going forward, all Mandrill users will be required to have a paid monthly MailChimp account. We want to give everyone plenty of time to research their options and decide whether they’d like to create a MailChimp account, so here’s the timeline and important details:
- Starting March 16, all new Mandrill users will create accounts through MailChimp.
- Also starting March 16, Mandrill users can merge their existing Mandrill account with a MailChimp account.
- Current users will have until April 27 to merge the accounts.
This is a big change, so I’d like to provide some context for our customers who want to know the “why” behind strategic decisions like this one.
The back story
We launched Mandrill in 2012 in response to a significant change in customer behavior: MailChimp was great (arguably the best, but I’m biased) at sending one-to-many emails, but customers increasingly wanted the ability to send one-to-one (AKA: “transactional”) messages to their customers. To get good at that new skill while continuing to hone our one-to-many delivery skills, we decided to create a startup within MailChimp. That startup was Mandrill, our transactional email product. In 3 short years, Mandrill grew to more than 800,000 users, reached an annual run rate of $12 million, and has delivered more than 88 billion messages. I’m proud of how far it came in so little time.
Along the way, the transactional email space continued to evolve. Today, some customers want a transactional email service to be a utility—like a “dumb pipe” or ISP that very quickly and efficiently delivers emails, and only delivers emails. Other customers want a smarter transactional email service that helps them deliver personalized, value-added emails (for industries like e-commerce). Those 2 types of transactional emails are very different animals that require very different styles of innovation, so we’re making these changes to Mandrill to better serve our customers.
Fork in the road
Transactional emails, like password reminders and the myriad email notifications you get after making changes to online accounts, are dead simple. Utilitarian providers like Amazon SES excel at this. Their innovation is mostly focused on increasing efficiency and reducing costs. That’s important stuff, and nobody does it better. Personalized emails, like the ones used by e-commerce businesses, require expertise in data and design: Sellers need to deliver highly targeted product recommendations wrapped in a beautiful design that perfectly represents their brand. Nobody does that better than MailChimp (but again, I’m biased). So you can probably guess by now why we’re choosing this path for Mandrill.
MailChimp’s innovation style is all about democratization. We want to build sophisticated, enterprise-grade solutions, and make them more accessible to small businesses (we do that by making it fun and affordable). We came to a fork in the road, and choosing the “personalized transactional” path with Mandrill suits us and our customers better than the “utility” path.
As they say, “culture eats strategy for breakfast,” so no matter how compelling or strategic it may seem to conquer the utility transactional space, MailChimp’s cultural DNA compels us to innovate on e-commerce personalization.
The road(map) ahead
Looking ahead, you’ll see the following advancements to our transactional offering:
- Better template design
- E-commerce automation workflows (MailChimp has 150,000 email automation customers, and we think this is going to be a great place to use what we’ve learned from Mandrill)
- Data in one place: Mandrill and MailChimp both provided a tremendous amount of useful data to our customers, but until now, we’ve kept it in 2 places. This change will allow us to merge it all into one place.
Changes to Mandrill
Now that I’ve shared why we’re making this change and given you a peek at what the future holds, let’s talk about what’s happening with Mandrill now. These changes will affect all existing and new Mandrill accounts:
- Mandrill is becoming a paid add-on for monthly MailChimp accounts. It will only be available for MailChimp customers who have monthly plans.
- The name and design are not changing right now, but we’ll eventually call it MailChimp Transactional and bring the branding under the MailChimp umbrella.
- All Mandrill users will be required to verify their sending domains and add SPF and DKIM records by April 27. (This is already in effect for new Mandrill users.)
- The Privacy Policy and Terms of Use will be consolidated with MailChimp’s.
- The billing and pricing model will also be consolidated with MailChimp’s, so users will get one bill that covers MailChimp and Mandrill charges together. We’re ending the free option. This will help us alleviate the enormous amount of time and effort we spend blocking abusive senders from setting up free Mandrill accounts and sending spam, and allow our developers to focus on personalization. Developers building e-commerce solutions shouldn’t find this to be a burden, and indeed, Mandrill can still be used for “utilitarian” transactional emails like password reminders and purchase receipts, in addition to personalized emails. Startup developers looking for a cheap, reliable transactional service may want to consider Amazon SES.
- We’re ending our reseller arrangement with Heroku, so those customers will need to move over to a MailChimp plan by April 27. The Heroku partnership was a fruitful one, and app development platforms like Heroku play an important role in our industry.
If you’re a Mandrill user, you’ll receive an email today with more information. Details and pricing are also posted on the Mandrill blog.
We want to make this transition as easy as possible. I know this will be disruptive to some Mandrill users who aren’t interested in the marketing and design features that MailChimp offers, but it’s time we close the gap between MailChimp and Mandrill. With Mandrill as a MailChimp add-on, our small business and e-commerce users will be able to send personalized transactional messages to their customers, with all the design features and ease of use they’ve come to expect from MailChimp.
Angel
Bad, bad move. Not to honour your old clients is not a nice move. I am not going to trust you anymore with the actual prices.
When you have me in your net you will be able to change it again and again…
Not fair and not a good move.
I cannot trust Mailchimp anymore.
Sad times…
02.24.2016
Ben MailChimp
That’s fair. I cannot realistically expect trust during a change like this. All I can do is lay out all our reasons for the change in as transparent a way as possible. Even though I have no chance of alleviating your concerns about prices, I’ll say that this change isn’t driven by profit–it’s about aligning our culture and core competencies with our core customers’ needs. There are many people who use Mandrill as a (free) utilitarian infrastructure service, who are not our core customers, and who deserve to use a company that’s better set up for that in the long run. We’re a company with a DNA for SaaS-like innovation, not PaaS or IaaS-like brutal efficiency.
02.25.2016
Derek
Will this also include customers in the Pay As You Go plan?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Derek, the Mandrill billing model requires a monthly billing cycle, so you’ll need a monthly MailChimp account and not PAYG. If you want to convert from PAYG to monthly, MailChimp will automatically convert your remaining PAYG credits to Monkey Rewards and then immediately apply those to the monthly plan purchased.
This KB article explains further:
http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/upgrade-your-account#What-Happens-When-You-Upgrade
If you have any questions about switching from a PAYG account to a monthly one, our billing team will be happy to assist with the transition. You can email them at billing@mailchimp.com.
02.25.2016
Tevya
There’s all these references to a $10/month MailChimp account in these articles. But NOTHING about it on the MailChimp pricing page, or KB articles about pricing. The lowest I see is $20. Please tell us where this magical $10/month pricing option is.
02.26.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Tevya,
Here’s the pricing page you’re looking for:
http://mailchimp.com/pricing/growing-business/
02.26.2016
Keith
Poor. Really poor. SES is in no way a suitable replacement for what Mandrill was – Amazon’s IP rep management is shockingly bad, and the main benefit to Mandrill is the nice API for the ‘harder’ stuff like bounce management.
I guess we’ll be investigating the other services like SendGrid, Mailgun, Socket Labs and Postmark.
02.24.2016
Diego
While mandrill was a great fit, MailChimp isn’t. Ciao.
02.24.2016
Joe Gallant
Agreed. Mandrill was a great option for efficient, easy to set up email delivery. We’ve had a paid account since our site launched.
Mailchimp does not fit our sites needs at all, and we therefore had to employ alternative ESP for our email marketing.
Lost trust in the product, and the company – we will be looking for alternatives immediately, especially given the very short timeframe for changing over.
I will no longer be recommending either product to clients and colleagues.
02.29.2016
Jeremy
As a company who has used Mandrill for the past 1.5 years with an average of 300k transactional emails/month, what is the minimum monthly account price that will be needed with MailChimp – $10 plan? No, we don’t presently have a mailchimp account.
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Jeremy, yes, the $10/month plan will allow you 0-500 subscribers for MailChimp sending, and then you’ll purchase the appropriate number of Mandrill blocks for your transactional email (sold in blocks of 25,000 emails). We’ll be posting additional details and examples soon, too.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Jeremy, we’ve posted additional pricing information and FAQs here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Shaun
So, basically, it will be $30/mo minimum to use Mandrill in the future?
02.25.2016
James
Is this a joke? We have spend hundreds of hours integratimg many customers into your mandrill system and now your ripping the bandaid off and charging for it and forcimg people to use mailchimp which by the way is not the best solution (and im not biast)
You have a great product, dont ruin it by merging it with junk
02.24.2016
Kalen Jordan
I find it quite disturbing that you would abuse Mandrill users in this way.
By building a standalone transactional email service, you’ve gotten people to rely on your infrastructure. People, such as me, have built email marketing automation apps on top of Mandrill.
Now you’re forcing all of those people to switch to Mailchimp for their email marketing software, which in some cases isn’t an option.
This would be like Amazon all of a sudden saying that all ecommerce sites that are hosted on AWS infrastructure have to actually sell their products on Amazon instead of on their own stores.
I’m really surprised that you wouldn’t at a bare minimum grandfather in existing accounts.
Very disappointing, and I hope you’ll reconsider.
This doesn’t seem like the right thing to do – not by a long shot.
02.24.2016
Ben MailChimp
Yikes, I regret that this is the impression you have (forcing), but I can’t blame you for coming to that conclusion. FWIW, our thought was that if a user needed something simple and reliable to pump mails through their app (the utilitarian, “dumb pipe” that I mentioned in the post above), then there are many suitable alternatives out there (because in the long run, we are moving in a different direction). It was never our intent to *force* Mandrill users who don’t need marketing functionality to migrate to MailChimp and be burdened with marketing features they don’t need. We think those users just shouldn’t use MailChimp, but move to a system without those bulk features. On the other hand, for those users who *do* need bulk *plus* transactional, the input we get is that we’re forcing them to use two apps, two templating systems, with important marketing data in two places. I can understand where you’re coming from, and all I hope to explain is where our other, more core customers are coming from, in the hopes that it explains our intent better.
02.25.2016
Kalen
Hey Ben,
First off I have to say – it’s just really good to hear from you. I think that fully 80% of the shock and awe factor in all of this was the heavy handed way in which the post was worded and the lack of any response whatsoever from you guys.
Even if you guys would have said something to the affect of “wow we hear you guys and we’re looking into it – give us 24 hours” that would have made a huge difference.
So it’s good to finally hear from you.
I can understand your position that there are better alternatives for a dumb pipe than Mandrill and that, long term – given the direction you’re moving, it would simply make sense for those of us that don’t want to go that direction to migrate elsewhere.
The key word there to me being “long term”.
2 months is not long term.
Not when you have hundreds of customers to communicate with, to help migrate, and hundreds if not more lines of code to modify for those of us with non-trivial Mandrill integrations.
I still don’t understand why you don’t just grandfather existing people in. As you said yourself, this isn’t about profit – it’s not like you’re bleeding money and about to go bankrupt if you don’t cut everyone off.
That’s generally the most humane way to deal with significant platform changes – you can look at Basecamp as an example of a company that does an amazing job of grandfathering existing customers and respecting their experience, while still greatly minimizing engineering and support effort needed to support them.
I’m sure you’ve thought about that and have your reasons – it wouldn’t hurt to hear some of them.
And if you don’t grandfather in customers, at a minimum giving people a longer time to transition out (1 year?) would seem to be much more reasonable.
Thanks,
Kalen
02.26.2016
Okhai
I have always used Mandrill in all my websites for sending transactional emails and my account reputation has been “excellent” at all times. I don’t have MailChimp account just because my clients don’t send marketing emails to anyone. So I don’t see any point to pay for the paid Mailchimp account that is not going to be used.
Pity that loyal and good Mandrill customers are forced to clean the mess created by spammers.
I would definitely consider to make the switch. All the best for the merger.
02.24.2016
Paul Jarvis
Woo! That actually makes it easier, and puts everything in one place. Thanks!
02.24.2016
David
Will Mandrill still work on the $10/month Mailchimp plan?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Yes. As long as you’re on a paid Monthly MailChimp plan, you’ll be able to use Mandrill beyond the initial trial. We’ll be posting additional pricing details and examples soon, too.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi David, some additional pricing details and FAQs have been posted here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Joel Chudleigh
You guys are killing it! I have been a Mailchimp and Mandrill user for a long time and have seen the costs of Mailchimp climb and climb (way way beyond inflation).
I understand that it was initially tactical in order to build a large customer base on the low fee and to then increase it – you had to.
But prices have continued to creep up and up.
It would be interesting to see a chart of the Mailchimp account cost if you have say 10,000 subscribers over the past 5 years. Then also for other subscriber numbers – would you be willing to be transparent on this? I may be over exaggerating here ;-)
If I understand it correctly the Mandrill users who do not have a paid Mailchimp account will need to get one and start paying. And then also any paid Mailchimp customers who have a free Mandrill account will need to start paying an additional $20 per month.
You guys really are killing it!
02.24.2016
Matt
Ben,
So $12 Million a year isn’t enough. What a pity. Although this kind of practice is commensurate with companies that forsake their roots and lose sight of their purpose. Spinning your story as “innovation” is so transparently untrue, it’s embarrassing to read.
We’ll move to Amazon as you suggest.
PS: The MailChimp pricing isn’t mentioned on the post you referenced above.
02.24.2016
Sagar Shah
What exactly will the new pricing be for current Mandrill users?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Sagar,
The pricing details have been published here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Rob
Going from $0 to $20 a month (cheapest Mailchimp account) is quite a leap… I understand your decision to monetize and consolidate your mandrill services but it would be nice to have the option to purchase a monthly mandrill account separately. I don’t need to send thousands of newsletters out a month.
02.24.2016
Cameron Kingzett
This is definitely disruptive to Mandrill users, especially those who will not benefit from having a MailChimp account because they either use a different email marketing solution, or have no need for one.
We can already send personalized transactional messages to our customers with Mandrill. Most people sending transactional emails are probably already personalizing those on the server side before sending.
This is just another case of bait and switch where the great service and nice price point of Mandrill was too good to be true.
I have recommended MailChimp and Mandrill many times over the years and used both extensively. I will much less inclined to do so after this.
You guys certainly could have taken a much more client friendly approach to this and grandfathered existing users.
If you are looking to monetize Mandrill more, why not add the base fee there? I personally would be much happier to pay $5-10 monthly as a base service fee with Mandrill plus the sliding scale that already exists.
Unfortunately as much as I love Mandrill and it has been rock solid, I will probably look at sending with SES in the future.
02.24.2016
Chet
I’m very disappointed in this decision. I have a mail chimp account with 6 different lists (for 6 different clients), but needed to create 6 different Mandrill accounts ( one for each client.)
Does this mean I have to create 6 different Mailchimp accounts?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hi Chet,
You’ve got a few options depending on why you’re using separate Mandrill accounts. Mandrill’s subaccounts and/or scoped API keys may help you if you wanted to combine the transactional emails into a single Mandrill account. Since you’re already a Mandrill user, I’d recommend getting in touch with Mandrill support to take a look at your use case and potential options. Just click the “Support” button in your account to open a ticket.
03.01.2016
Adam Glass
As a result of this change, you’ll lose me as a customer. This is not to say that i’ve been unhappy with Mandrill, the services offered, the economics of it, documentation, etc. It’s just that our usage is really closer to the notification scenario and the traffic volume for our biking organization doesn’t justify a $20 a month cost. Heck, that’s what its costing me to run the whole thing end to end and i think thats high.
02.24.2016
Monkey Logic
Very disappointing. I generated my first Mandrill API key on Sep 29, 2012. I thought it was the greatest thing in transactional email at the time and I promoted it heavily to my clients and on my website. At the time it was (and still is for me) free for up to 12,000 emails per month. Now I have to pay $20 per month, at a minimum, PLUS MailChimp fees? Whether I use it or not! No thank you.
As a company, you have the absolute right to do whatever is in your best interest. I sell SAAS and so I appreciate that; and I wish you all the best. That’s it.
Thanks for 3.41666666… great years.
02.24.2016
Patty
Well, I guess I’ll be looking for a new service then. I have a free MailChimp account because I have a very small subscriber list. I use Mandrill for my clients. At the very least, you should grandfather in existing MailChimp / Mandrill clients.
02.24.2016
Travis Ketchum
While you laid out your points clearly, I’m sad to see this happen. Not only will you have lost our business after the transition but that of a wave of customers we were planning to send your way with the launch of a new app we have slated for later this year.
Best wishes for the future – I know these decisions are incredibly tough to make.
Sincerely,
Sympathetic but disappointed SaaS company.
02.24.2016
Andrew
So you’re going from a completely free plan (for many users) straight into requiring a minimum of $35/month?
($15/month minimum for MailChimp, plus $20/month minimum for Mandrill)…
Wow.
02.24.2016
Peter Schlung
Sensible move from a economies of scale and synergies perspective, however if I was you, I’d be very concerned about people moving their transactional to SES?
02.24.2016
Mike
Well.. Great news for your competition. They’ll be seeing many new customers very soon.
02.24.2016
tim
Isn’t that a 200+% price increase? Before the cost was only $9.95 for 25k emails and now it is? Mailchimp pricing? or the $20 extra for 25k block. still over 200% increase? or did i miss something….
02.24.2016
Moritz
I like Mandrill, but I didn’t plan to use Mailchimp due to high cost. This change basically forces me to pay extra for a basic Mailchimp plan, even if I just want to use Mandrill. And after this surprise, I wouldn’t be surprised if my Mailchimp account would get closed if I decided to continue to run ALL my e-mail through the Mandrill addon, including newsletters.
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Moritz,
The updated MailChimp Terms and Acceptable Use Policy, which apply to both MailChimp and Mandrill, reinforce that the Mandrill add-on is for transactional email and MailChimp is for bulk. If you have any questions about our legal policies, please contact legal@mailchimp.com.
02.25.2016
Jacob Evans
This is sad news as I only use Mandrill for my WordPress (and very few alerts at that), But this looks to be an excellent stance and I applaud you for it. This will certainly help cross contamination of transnational vs commercial emails per sending node.
Good Luck!
02.24.2016
Chris
So I’m one of those users who does not need email marketing; it’s not part of my business.
I don’t mind paying for transactional email functionality and expected to do so with Mandrill. What I would mind is having to pay for an entire product I don’t use, PLUS an add-on fee for the transaction part. But at the end of the day, it’s really only the total cost that matters. I don’t really care how you break it down for your internal accounting.
What would be incredibly helpful is some idea of my before and after costs. If people in my situation are going to face double or triple costs tied to product we don’t use, that’s clearly not a viable option.
02.24.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey Chris,
We’ve published more details of the new pricing and common questions so you can get a better idea of the specifics here:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
In case you haven’t seen the update to the post, SparkPost has also offered to take on departing Mandrill users and to honor Mandrill’s pricing:
https://www.sparkpost.com/pricing
03.01.2016
Gergely Imreh
I think this is a difficult change. I don’t think the Venn diagram of the “People who need newsletters” and the “People who do transactional emails” overlap so much that rolling the two service into one makes good sense from the outside. I’m using both services (some paid, some free-tier for Mailchimp, and free-tier with low volume for Mandrill), and feels much more natural to keep two services at arms’ length.
02.24.2016
Steven Lambe
And with this change you cement my change to Amazon SES even though I loved Mandrill. So like long, and thanks for all the fish.
02.24.2016
Phil
Bad descison! Extremely annoyed at this and the extremely short notice!
i think you will regret this!
02.24.2016
Greg
Sorry to hear about the change the current model is so efficient and a great cost structure. Can you provide more clarity on some things that are not clear from your post:
For the new cost structure, if someone is only doing Mandrill API called email sending like I am now, what is the minimum cost structure that can be achieved and how many sends per month is that on the transactional side? It sounds like there are two pools of sending volume, Mailchimp side and transactional side. Is this correct?
Will dedicated IPs be available? If so same cost?
With the paid plans are the mailchimp interface sent or the transactional sent emails mailchimp branded in any way (ie does paid = whitelabelled)?
Are any major forced api changes to be expected in the next 12 months? If so will there be more than 2 month’s notice of the pending changes?
Thanks
02.24.2016
Mike Milano
You do not understand the Mandrill customer base and have seriously let them and everyone who has advocated to integrate Mailchimp into a system down.
It appears your Mailchimp users may have needed a Mandrill addon, but most Mandrill users have no need for the Mailchimp service and will be forced to pay for it.
It’s not just about cost, it’s about stability. While the service might be stable, the policies and pricing is not.
Mandrill began as an internal startup and it will die as a Mailchimp addon.
02.24.2016
Monika
Wow!
It will again help to increase the Mailchimp power. Hopefully more benefits to the users.
Monika,
Mtjcart.com
02.24.2016
Alison
Ben, this is very confusing. We don’t send marketing email, so our list would be zero subscribers. We only send transactional mail. How would we have a paid MailChimp account if we don’t even qualify for a paid account based on subscriber count?
Would the Mandrill “add-on” be considered a paid monthly account?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Alison, there’s a paid monthly MailChimp plan for 0-500 subscribers. You can enter an estimated number of MailChimp subscribers in our calculator here to see the monthly pricing: http://mailchimp.com/pricing/growing-business/
With the paid monthly MailChimp plan, you’d then be able to purchase the number of Mandrill blocks you need for your transactional email volume. We’ll be publishing some additional pricing info shortly, too.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Alison, here are those additional details I mentioned, along with answers to other questions we’ve been getting about the transition: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
HerokuUser
Eek! Kinda bummed about the Heroku partnership ending. That seamless integration made Mandrill really attractive, even on the paid tiers. This makes it really hard not to strongly consider swapping over to SendGrid (which still provides Heroku integration).
Hopefully you all decide to come back to Heroku in the future! Would love to use Mandrill again.
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
We definitely understand the convenience of that. If you want to go ahead and use both MailChimp and Mandrill, the Mandrill API isn’t changing at this time. So the API clients are still available and can be used with a Heroku app. (You’d just need to set your environment variables). The difference is that billing will happen through MailChimp instead of Heroku’s consolidated billing.
02.25.2016
Martin
Isn’t changing at this time.
Does it mean it will change also in the future with a super short notice?
I was a paying mandrill customer but trust is really lost now.
04.26.2016
Howard
Congrats on trying to drive Mandrill into the next stage of your strategy.
For us, this is a disappointing direction. We’re an early adopter (having used Mandrill in favour of Sendgrid and SES for all transactional emails) and as a “dumb pipe” it is probably one of the best, and definitely is the best for our purposes. It balances solid deliverability with decent cost, and an excellent reporting interface. It has an easy to use inbound component and good testing facilities for inbound and hooks.
Will any of this change or degrade during the transition?
We received the email today and it seems to indicate that Mandrill will be changing its pricing alongside these changes: 20,000 emails in buckets of $20. Is this true? The current price is $9.95 for the first 20,000 emails, then $0.20/thousand.
I think another big issue is that Mandrill was never built as just a dumb pipe yet it has sophisticated and well designed aspects that SES cannot match at this time (the hooks and testing for instance are much more developer friendly, SPF and DKIM setup is really well handled, blacklist handling is really good.
I wish at some stage in the planning of this major decision there was more input from dedicated Mandrill customers. I’m sure I could have written an entire essay on why SES or most other replacements are not a good alternative to Mandrill.
02.24.2016
Ruben
So, now the monthly price to send 50,000 transactional emails per month will be $65? We currently pay about $7.6 USD.
You should give Mandrill customers more time to evaluate the advantages of Mailchimp with the Mandrill add-on. With just 2 months left we need to start looking for other options and migrating our systems right away since we don’t know if you’ll be charging us almost 10 times more for the same service or if there will some added value. We had just migrated all of our systems to use the Mandrill API instead of smtp.
$25 Cheapest paid mailchimp account
$20 Add on 25,000 transactional email package
$20 Add on 25,000 transactional email package
With no concrete and substantial advantages it’s hard to justify to continue using Mandrill.
Did I understood the new pricing correctly?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hi Ruben,
The smallest paid monthly MailChimp account is for 0-500 subscribers and is $10/month. More details of the Mandrill pricing and other questions about the transition can be found here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Mac
Hello,
Your company should consider “grandfathering” existing free Mandrill account users.
That way, you can kick the spammers out without punishing the innocent hard working developers that use, develop and, recommend your system to their clients.
Giving us a free account then reneging on the deal is wrong.
We have spent time learning your system and building infrastructure to consume webhooks ect.
Your going to lose all the free account users that were going to become paid users but, now won’t, because they feel cheated.
Losing goodwill among your prospective customers is bad business.
Please don’t disappoint us.
Sincerely,
Mac
02.24.2016
Jamie Thomas
The implication that pricing for Mandrill is doubling. As provider sending 500k emails a month today and 2M a month by the end of the year, this is disheartening. Would you please clarify the pricing change so we can decide whether to retool for another service (in under a month due to poor advanced notice).
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Jamie,
More details about the pricing have been published here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Ben
Thanks Ben! I totally get your strategic decision and congratulate for making it even when you probably knew you’d get a lot of unhappy customers. I’m sure it wasn’t easy
As an existing Mandrill customer who runs an SaaS, it would have been good if you’d given us a little more notice to be honest.
2 months is tough when you have 1000’s of customer domains that need to be verified and have DKIM and SPF records added. Especially when they aint that technical.
02.24.2016
Jon
I guess I see how this change benefits your company and the MailChimp product, but it’s obviously a huge slap in the face to anyone who has invested resources in integrating Mandrill for what it was advertised to do.
What is the fate of Mandrill subaccounts? The Mandrill API?
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Jon, at this time, none of Mandrill’s functionality is changing, including subaccounts and API endpoints and functionality. In the future, we’ll be focusing our development efforts on tightening the integration between marketing and transactional email. We think these will be very useful features for people who are sending both types of email.
02.25.2016
Tommy
Not interested in Mailchimp, only transactional mail. This is no problem, because as you say, there are other who can give me that service. But why? I’m happy with Mandrill and I wouldn’t mind paying for it.
02.24.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Tommy,
Mandrill’s API and features aren’t changing. The only thing changing is the billing model and the requirement to connect with MailChimp. We definitely think users who utilize both marketing and transactional will see the most value from this, but you’re free to use MailChimp as much or as little as you need so long as you have a paid monthly MailChimp account.
02.25.2016
Lane
As a longtime user I’m sad to see Mandrill go behind a paywall. I guess it makes sense for your business but it’ll have a dramatic impact on the overall deliverability for small companies that leveraged it.
02.24.2016
David
That is good change. Good for Mailchimp to force to use developer to pay additional money. :-(
What if I am having 95% transactional emails and only few (once a month) newsletter. That will either force me to go elsewhere or pay additional $75 for just one newsletter. That will be hard to justify to my customer and not wise from me if I would add my internal cost and not charge customer.
I am satisfied with your services, but with this strategic change I have to admit I will be looking for another alternative. It was good time with you but it is time to move ahead. Thank you.
02.24.2016
Dr. Tassilo Keilmann
Hi Ben,
I just received the email of your Mandrill team and am shocked. Very sad how you treat loyal customers!
I wanted to research: What are the minimum costs for a Mailchimp account, so that I can still use Mandrill after April, as if nothing happened?
The exact monthly minimum price is not clear from the Mailchimp pricing matrix: http://mailchimp.com/pricing/growing-business/
I do not want to use any of Mailchimp’s services, I simply want to continue Mandrill as my SMTP service. That’s all. If it will cost much more than the current charges imposed by Mandrill (based on my monthly sending volume), I will use an alternative SMTP provider and turn my back on Mandrill.
I will publish a post about this on my website, reaching 1.2 million tech entrepreneurs in Europe. I hope I can show them better ways to deal with SMTP bulk sending, without the new burdens of Mailchimp.
This blog post gives a lot of excuses for your strategic shift, but you have omitted the true reason: Increasing your revenue and profit margins, for yourself. Decreasing profit margins, for your customers.
Kind regards,
Dr. Tassilo Keilmann
CEO of Wellness Heaven, Germany
http://www.wellness-heaven.de
02.24.2016
David
Say goodbye to “pay as you grow” I guess. $20/mo when you only need less than 500 transactional emails during development and early preview of a product is WAY too costly.
The consolidation and renewed focus on transactional with templated and other progress here is great. But the fact that MailChimp Transactional will not be accessible to bootstrapped startups is terrible news. 12k emails for free was great, even 1k would be great. You might then think there are other services that still have a free skew, while MailChimp is interested in a more “premium” target market. Sure, but as the startup grows, they’ll grow into a competitor, not into MailChimp.
02.24.2016
Costa
So if we want to continue using Mandrill we need a paid Mailchimp account that starts at $20/month PLUS buy non-rollover blocks of 25k transactional emails at an additional $20/month?
So the minimum required to continue using Mandrill is $40/month?
02.24.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Costa,
MailChimp plans start at $10/month (0-500 subscribers in MailChimp). A block of Mandrill emails will be $20/month, for a total of $30/month. We have more pricing info in this FAQ article, too:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.26.2016
steve
Hi Ben,
thanks for a thoughtful and detailed post about this.
I’m a bit confused though; I have a mandrill account for my business, used purely to send transactional emails. I have zero interest in mailing lists or mail chimp.
So to clarify; this means that now I’m going to have a PAID mail chimp account (which I completely do NOT need) as well as a paid mandrill account (which I already have) in order to keep sending my transactional emails.
Is this correct?
Because if so, this sucks. Can’t it just be on a free mailchimp account and then we still pay for mandrill (basically the way it works now; I don’t care if I have to create a mail chimp account I’ll never use…) I just don’t want to have to pay for a mail chimp account I’ll never use..
Can you shed some light bro?
thanks
02.24.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey Steve,
Yes, you’ll need a paid monthly MailChimp account. If you don’t need MailChimp’s marketing features, another SMTP service may be a better fit. More specifics about the changes and pricing have been published in this FAQ:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
SparkPost has also offered to take on departing Mandrill users and to honor Mandrill’s pricing:
https://www.sparkpost.com/pricing
03.01.2016
BCMC Webmaster
Looks like the small non-profit website I volunteer for will be forced to consider either paying what appears will be a 500% increase in fees after merging their Mandrill and MailChimp accounts… or looking at cheaper alternatives. MailChimp needs to provide their planned fee information for this merger ASAP so website admins have more time to consider what they’ll do.
02.24.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hello,
We’ve included more information about pricing on this FAQ page:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
03.01.2016
Cookie
So, because of spammers we, as a non-profit organization which only send a max of 6000 mails 3 times a year (and often only 2 times a year), need to start paying for an account for 25000 mails each month??????? Meaning, not only overpaying for the 3 months we would be using Mandrill, but also paying 9 months for something we don’t use at all…
That’s going from a free occasionally used service, to paying hundreds of dollars a year for stuff we seldom use and services from MailChimp we would even never use (templates, campaign editors, whatnot)???
I completely fail to see how that is “democratization”…
On the contrary, this sounds more like monetizing than anything else.
We were a very happy user of Mandrill and the service was great. It was unique in its kind. Now it will just be like ANY other monetizing mail/marketing service out there.
MailChimp/Mandrill, you realy lost your roots. But I guess it was bound to happen one day. Goodbye MailChimp/Mandrill, you were great and unique…. not so much anymore now…
signing off, very very VERY disappointed…
02.24.2016
Alice
Hi Ben,
It seems that Mandrill have closed their blog to comments about this announcement. Do you know when the official pricing will be announced? As I am sure you can understand, with multiple client’s working from the Mandrill platform this is going to have a considerable impact on our own business as we move to update them to the changes and potentially have to move them if it is not a price that they find agreeable. Providing more pricing information sooner will make the transition much easier.
Thanks,
Alice
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey Alice,
We’ve published answers to some questions we’ve been getting, along with details about the pricing, here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Peter Ward
Hi,
Like a lot of people reading this I have no interest in using Mailchimp, all I want is the simple transactional sends that are costing me roughly $40 a month currently.
How much is the additional cost when I have no need of subscribers which appear to dictate the Mailchimp pricing scheme?
I think you need to provide a very clear and transparent guide to companies such as mine that just need to maintain the status quo as to what these costs will be and how to get setup – especially considering the quite aggressive timescales you have placed on these changes.
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Peter,
There’s more information about pricing as well as several FAQs here:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
03.01.2016
Enguerrand Vidor
Very interesting move to scale your Transactional email service. It actually makes sense to merge it with Mailchimp Automation as automated and transactional emails are really close (eg. Abandoned Cart).
However how would you continue to support Startups? What about the first 12,000 emails sent?
Are you thinking about moving cross-channel to improve your marketing automation capabilities?
Angus (from Leezair)
02.25.2016
Alex
While I understand your decision, it’s a pain! I like to have my own data and store my emails in my own database and Mandrill was great.
I’ll be one of the ones migrating to Amazon SES.
Good luck though.
02.25.2016
C.J. Land
I think this is still confusing for someone that is only using Mandrill in terms of what needs to happen next. Who should I get in touch with @ Mailchimp to answer my questions.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey C.J., since you’re a Mandrill user, you can reach out using the Support button in your account. We’ll also be sending additional information on March 16, including the steps you’ll need to take to connect your Mandrill account to a MailChimp account.
02.25.2016
James Galyen
We are a customer which has had a MailChimp account for many, many years. And within the last two years have expanded to using mandrill, tying it to MailChimp.
But we started off with a stand-alone Development Mandrill account. And we do not wish to lose it. We only want emails to go to users@OurDomain.org and mailinator.com (or some such service).
Can we have two Mandrill accounts attached to one MailChimp account, given that one is for development only?
I fully support the business model change. But we can’t mix our production and our development environments of Mandrill. And I don’t believe it is an issue for us paying for a development Mandrill branch. What are our options?
02.25.2016
James
Just to add, we need Marketing, Bulk Notification, and Transaction and desire using the same system. But we wish not to lose our separate development environment.
02.26.2016
James
Found that functionality isn’t going away or changing in any way. So we are getting a new MailChimp account.
It is still desired to have a second testing-only mandrill account (where it must use a whitelist of say 10 emails within mailinator, google, hotmail, and the linked domain) attached to MailChimp. Then our communications department can design and deploy the templates to test. We can test them. Then migrate them to production mandrill. This might even be desirable enough to upgrade to pro.
04.25.2016
Robert
This is very confusing!
I’m a small business owner, sending around 20,000-30,000 newsletter emails/mth.
I send them using our CRM (AgileCRM) via my Mandrill Account (and an API integration). Cheaper and better server infrastructure than using Agile’s own servers.
I also send transactional emails from our website’s WordPress installation via my Mandrill Account – Woocommerce purchase emails; password resets; forum post notifications, admin emails etc
So what am I required to do now? It’s not at all obvious in your blog post.
If I am “required” to have a Mailchimp account, but don’t use it (ie I use AgileCRM to send the mail, run automation etc), how is it charged?
Extremely confused, and somewhat put out as it looks like this will be a ton of work for me when I don’t need it (like many small business owners using Mandrill I would guess).
02.25.2016
Steffen
That is some disappointing news for us I have to say. We chose Mandrill over Mailchimp because our previous E-Mail Provider made us keep customer data continuously in sync between their system and ours. Mandrill was a huge relief with that data synchronisation completely out of the way. We were able to concentrate on sending the right email to the right customer at any given time.
Based on instant and automated analysis we are sending highly personalised emails to our customers. I wouldnt call these Marketing campaigns and I also wouldnt call it Transactional E-Mails. Therefore I think your described two possible use-cases for email service providers are too narrow.
From what I remember from our Mailchimp tests back in the days, we would need to start synching data again which always turns out to be tedious. Therefore I hope that this change wont go further down the road with policies which forbid us to send non-transactional emails over Mandrill or Mailchimp Transactional if you will. Fingers crossed!
Looking forward to your opinion.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Steffen,
MailChimp’s updated Terms of Use and Acceptable Use Policy, which apply to both MailChimp and Mandrill, reinforce that the Mandrill add-on is for transactional email and MailChimp is for bulk. Since it sounds like you’re not sure whether your emails fall strictly within one of those categories, it’d be best to contact our support team so we can take a closer look at those emails and get some additional details. The easiest way to get in touch is to use the Support button in your Mandrill account so our team can review that information with you.
02.25.2016
Sarah
Hi Ben
Big changes afoot, right!
The non-profit that I work with doesn’t need MailChimp so they’d just sign up for $20/month and then it’s business as usual?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Sarah, you’ll need a monthly MailChimp account (starts at $10/month for 0-500 subscribers) and at least one block of Mandrill emails (25,000 emails/month for $20/month). MailChimp also offers a 15% discount to nonprofits. With the new consolidated billing (once your MailChimp and Mandrill accounts are linked), the discount will be applied to your MailChimp plan as well as Mandrill’s email blocks.
This KB articles explains how the discount works:
http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/about-mailchimp-discounts#Non-Profit-Discount
We’ll be sending information on March 16 with details about how to connect your Mandrill and MailChimp accounts so you can begin to get those consolidated billing statements.
02.25.2016
Fabian Keller
This sounds just horrible. I have no idea how my current plan would translate to MailChimp’s pricing as I’m only sending transactional mails like password reminders etc. (~10’000 mails/month) How many subscribers would that be? Probably zero, because the mails are on an interaction-basis and not on a user-basis, so what exactly am I paying after 4/27? There is no easy information about that topic.
If you want to get rid of transactional-mail password-reminder customers just call it like that and don’t try to sell me some overpriced Pro-features I have no interest in using. Effectively, you’re putting your focus on mostly ad-based E-mail marketing, which is legitimate but has little to do with the original idea of Mandrill.
You realize people now need to modify their websites, apps etc. to migrate e.g. to Amazon SES and your announcement really leaves them very little time. (Regarding the “We want to give everyone plenty of time to research their options […]”)
Thanks for your really good service in the past, I enjoyed using a service that had this start-up spirit in it rather than a big service like Amazon SES. Good luck.
– Fabian
02.25.2016
Tibor Sekelj
Besides account change:
Please specify what will change for smtp mandrill users (technically). This information has been left out.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Tibor,
There won’t be any technical changes needed. The API will continue to function as it does today, and no API keys need to be changed. We’ll send detailed instructions on March 16th with information about how to connect Mandrill and MailChimp.
02.25.2016
Paul
Very bad news.
Think I (and many others) will go away ….
Paul
02.25.2016
George
Goodbye Mandrill, hello Mailgun. I don’t mind paying something for the great service that Mandrill is (hell, I even added some funds and paid for viewing mail contents longer, just to feel right about it, I never crossed the 12K limit), I’m just not going to pay a disproportional amount for a service that was free before. From $0 to $30/month (paid MailChimp account: $10 + $20 is minimum p/month “block” of 25K emals) is quite a steep change from 12K of free emails p/month.
The MailChimp angle doesn’t fly for me either. I’m not interested in sending boatloads of marketing emails (read: spam). I’m using Mandrill for a few non-profit organisations to send out transactional email. But now I have to start a paid spamming account?
It’s interesting to see that the comments under the Mandrill blog post are closed beforehand. You obviously don’t want the whining to begin. Let me tell you, that’s not a great start to renew a customer relationship.
Sadly, I think this monkey has now shown its true face.
02.25.2016
Ken
Does this mean that we’re going to pay more for Mailchimp and Mandril?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hi Ken,
For most users, yes, because the Mandrill pricing is increasing. Future development will be focused on enhancing the integration between marketing and transactional mail to provide more value to those who are sending both. More details about the updated Mandrill pricing have been published here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Jason Caldwell
I assume this change will also apply to Inbound Route processing too, right? I’d just like to confirm that, because I build WordPress that integrate with you guys as a way for site owners to set up webhooks connected to emails. Most of those site owners are unwilling to pay for that service upfront, but may later become Mandrill customers after having been introduced to your company.
If Inbound Routes will require a fee moving forward, we might need to look at other alternatives for that integration. We’re doing that now, but just wanted to ask. Thanks! :-)
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Jason,
We’ll continue offering a limited trial for the Mandrill add-on (2000 emails). During the trial, there will be a daily limit on inbound emails. After the trial, you’ll need to have a paid monthly MailChimp account and purchase at least one Mandrill block each month to continue using inbound processing.
02.25.2016
Mark
I’m using Mandrill’s free plan. What does Mailchimp’s minimum monthly plan cost?
02.25.2016
Tasos
I was never in need of MailChimp and now I’m very disappointed that you ARE FORCING EXISTING MANDRILL CLIENTS to pay for tool they don’t need.
Unless there is alternative option (so NOT to pay for something I do not need), I’m going to Mailgun
02.25.2016
Daan
Despite I fully understand this step, I find it less pleasant that you necessarily need to have a monthly plan. Why is “Pay as you go” (With no Free Tier) no option ?
I’m not searching for a cheap simple transactional service. I want all Mandrill/MailChimp features. I just have an irregular number of e-mails every month I have to send.
02.25.2016
Andrew
It sounds exciting, and also the direction we’d like to see you move into. We are screaming out for more integration and data sharing between Mandrill and Mailchimp to support our marketing automation ideas, and it sounds like this will happen which is great news.
I am concerned about any required migration of our large number of design your own templates from Mailchimp that we use in Mandrill. If you could spell out any issues regarding this, it would ease my stomach.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey Andrew, templates aren’t changing yet. You’ll still have templates in Mandrill for transactional emails, and you’ll still be able to push templates from MailChimp to Mandrill. In the future, we’ll be looking at how we can improve template design and the flow of templates between Mandrill and MailChimp for a better overall user experience.
02.25.2016
Joan Roca
Hi,
We are using Mandrill to send survey emails to our customers. We don’t have a Mailchimp account. We send emails every day to our hotel guests. So our email database is growing every day. How is this going to work when Mandrill is integrated into Mailchimp?
I see that the monthly plans for Mailchimp are based on the number of subscribers, but we manage our email database right now. What monthly plan will I have to choose? Will the Mandrill add-on be able to accept arbitrary email destinations?
02.25.2016
Etienne
Hi Ben,
we signed up for Mandrill about two months ago, because we had the issue of some transactional emails of our Magento onlineshop going straight into the SPAM folders of our customers.
We love Mandrill. It’s great, and fair priced. We currently send around 2.500 transactional emails per month and pay 9,95$ for that.
I have read your email, this blogpost, and the other one over at mandrill, but I don’t see any information about pricing.
You say, mandrill will be a paid addon for paid mailchimp accounts.
So from what I see here http://mailchimp.com/pricing/growing-business/ the cheapest paid mailchimp account costs 15$ per month.
Plus the 9,95$ That’ll be 24,95$ per month in the future, for us, for 2.500 mails sent. that’s an increase of 250%
Not funny at all and way too much!!
02.25.2016
Richard
Actually the monthly fee for 25000emails through Mandrill also increase… now 20$/month, not 9,95$/month anymore. So the 250% increase you calculated would be 300%.
I can’t understand that movement, from 9,95$ to 30$/month is quite a difference! I’m migrating to other platform.
02.28.2016
Colin Wiseman
Bad move guys!
“800,000 users, reached an annual run rate of $12 million, and has delivered more than 88 billion messages” sounds like a very profitable business that could be left on the “sidelines” of MailChimp. I used you guys from the early days of MailChimp for many client campaigns and then to send transactional emails to ensure deliverability.
I never wanted to use the “big guys” and although you become the big guys you still had the small guy cool mentality. Amazon are a horrible company in many many ways – overly complicated systems, horrible payment structure and then of course tax avoidance to the tune of billions from economies around the world.
But there was always MailChimp and Mandrill and their awesome pizzanomics! How cool was it you paid for lunch for your staff on rain Seattle days! So to use Amazon the Tax Dodgers as an example of a good company…sorry that shows you have now fallen low.
I love you guys. I fully bought in to your ethos. I got the free t-shirt. I have two toy MailChimps. I was looking at them the other day in fact as I am moving house and taking them off the shelf to pack safely away, I smiled at how cool your company has always been.
But this move is horrible! For small freelancers like myself that helped build clients from no emails going out a month to 10s of thousands, it felt great that there was service out there that started at free and when my clients were big enough had options to pay a cool ethical company. Some of my clients never got passed free. Some of my clients now pay every month. I felt it a good balance, while you were helping out the little guy.
Now what? You want the little guy to shell out $360 a year to pay for the same service?
This is my confusion.
You still give 12,000 free emails out to MailChimp users. MailChimp users have massive amounts of functionality and coolness they get to use. My clients don’t want that or have dynamic customisation requests that cannot be done through your interface. Enter Mandrill and my code.
My small clients send out a few hundred emails a month but need the deliverability of MailChimp to ensure opens and responses. And you are now essentially robbing them of hard earned money to use a service you do give for free via MailChimp, but not if it is a simple transactional email.
Thanks Mandrill/MailChimp you have, with a very heavy heart, lost a customer. I hope that you don’t choke on the money you will be fleecing from your customers.
02.25.2016
Jesse M.
We feel the same way.
We’ve always supported and recommended MailChimp and its services. Now, on top of our current workload, we have only 30 days to get all of our clients moved / reconfigured and many of them will see their fees double.
As a marketing group we will no longer build on or recommend ANY of MailChimp’s services. Because MailChimp has shown they don’t handle change well and you can’t build a portion of your business on a technology partner you CAN’T trust.
03.17.2016
Jirka Schaefer
you missed the most important question in your email: as a mandrill user, will I pay more from now on?
that makes the whole transaction fear-loaded and you will loose lots of users…
02.25.2016
Graham Smith
You’ve lost my organisation’s business.
We’re a small non-profit representing 20,000 students with an operational budget of ~$30,000. There’s no way in hell that we could pay the $350/month you’d now be charging for Mandrill just to send out emails.
We’re not trying to spam our members with all-singing, all-dancing, super-branded emails like you get from MailChimp. We just want to get our messages out to them efficiently, and that’s what Mandrill did excellently.
I hope you reconsider your decision.
02.25.2016
Ben (another one)
I’ve been enjoying a complimentary allocation on mandrill due to having a paid mailchimp account, and was looking at increasing my usage of it in the coming months.
So, if i understand this correctly, i will now be losing this and if i want to continue it will be a paid addon?
If so, that doesn’t make me a happy monkey, what is the pricing of the new add on?
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Ben,
There’s more information about pricing and other questions on our FAQ page:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
03.01.2016
Ross
So long Mandrill, and thanks for all the fish.
Seriously though, Mandrill is a great service for those of us using transactional eMail – I have no need for Mailchimp, I don’t send newsletters, nor do i want to.
Mandrill was the perfect service for me, and several businesses I work with on a consultancy basis, suffice as to say it now isn’t.
02.25.2016
Tony Lake
Is there someone we can talk to about what type of accounts we need as i have an new till system going live in April and am in the middle of uat and want to know what type of send account i need at mailchimp.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey Tony,
You’ll need to have a MailChimp account with a paid monthly plan. You can find more details about upgrading your MailChimp account here:
http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/upgrade-your-account
It sounds like you already have a Mandrill account, so if you have additional questions, just click the “Support” button from within your Mandrill account.
03.01.2016
Anthony Williams
This is utterly disappointing. Why no pay-as-you-go support? Why do monthly credit packs have to expire? Not profitable enough for the small businesses?
02.25.2016
Melgior
I totally understand you want to battle people abusing your free tier and I would be more than happy to move to a paid plan. However, I don’t send newsletter and I have a hard time understanding why you’re requiring me to be on a paid MailChimp plan if I never ever send newsletters.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Going forward, we’ll focus our development resources on strengthening the features for people using both marketing and transactional emails. While we don’t expect everyone will want to send marketing emails with MailChimp, we think the value of the features for people using both will be really attractive.
02.25.2016
Damian
Hi,
We have a store with the Magento / Mailchimp and Mandrill official extension:
https://www.magentocommerce.com/magento-connect/ebizmarts-magemonkey-official-mailchimp-and-mandrill-extension.html?_ga=1.171183714.398560242.1400261694
Are you going to update it with the new service?
Thanks!
02.25.2016
Pauline
How much will the add on be?
What is the lowest account level that we will need to have to use Mandrill?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Pauline, at a minimum, you’ll need a paid monthly MailChimp plan (for 0-500 subscribers, it’s $10/month) and a block of Mandrill emails (25,000 emails for $20/month). If your subscriber count is higher or your monthly transactional volume is higher, it’ll go up. We’ll be posting additional pricing details and examples soon, too.
02.25.2016
Ryan
I can understand what your doing (even though its a PITA for me) but a little pissed that your limiting this to MONTHLY plans.
I’ve been a long time customer (2009) and have spent thousands of dollars with you BUT I am on the PAYG plan.
This works better for me as we only send newsletters bi-monthly. We’re obviously not your biggest account but its got to be above average?
Please consider allowing mandrill on PAYG plans (perhaps with min revenue?) so I don’t have to muck around changing to another provider.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Ryan, the Mandrill billing model requires a monthly billing cycle, which is why you’ll need a monthly MailChimp account. We do offer the ability to convert from PAYG to monthly. If you choose to do this, MailChimp will automatically convert your remaining PAYG credits to Monkey Rewards and then immediately apply those to the monthly plan purchased.
This KB article explains further:
http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/upgrade-your-account#What-Happens-When-You-Upgrade
If you have any questions about switching from a PAYG account to a monthly one, our billing team will be happy to assist with the transition. You can email them at billing@mailchimp.com.
02.25.2016
Veselin
Minimal monthly plan is $25.00 and you start with mail blocks of $20 per month ???
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Veselin, the MailChimp monthly plans start at $10 for 0-500 subscribers, and if you’re sending under 25,000 transactional emails per month, you’ll purchase 1 Mandrill block for $20. We’ll be posting more details and examples of pricing soon, as well.
02.25.2016
Said
Hello,
Ok but what will be the technical changes ?
Something to change in devellopment, api access ?
You speak only about money (no problem).
Please put in place something to help, technical tutorial, user tutorial, screen shoot.
Send an email like that without technical info and tutorial, seems not serious guys.
I am affraid for my email delivery, must i go to competitor ?
You must put in place something easy, and transparency, like i drink a glass of water.
Regards,
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Said, at this time, there won’t be any technical changes required to continue using Mandrill. The API endpoints and API keys will remain the same. To continue using Mandrill, you’ll need to connect your Mandrill account to a paid monthly MailChimp account between March 16 and April 27. We’ll send detailed instructions for connecting the accounts on March 16.
02.25.2016
Jonathan Hill
I see why you are making the changes but your timeline on this is disappointingly short.
02.25.2016
Ellie Burgess
Hi there, I have a Mandrill account and I don’t want anymore than I am getting from the service at the moment. Will I still have the pay the standard costs that are displayed on the Mailchimp website even though I don’t want to use all the functionality? I’m keen to stay with your business but Mailchimp appears to be far more expensive so I’m hoping that I’m missing something? Can you direct me to someone who can tell me how much more I’m going to have to pay?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Ellie, since you’ll need a paid monthly MailChimp account, the minimum cost for that will be $10/month (0-500 subscribers in MailChimp). A block of Mandrill emails will be $20/month, for a total of $30/month. We’ll be posting additional details about pricing soon with more examples, too.
02.25.2016
Anton
What about API? Magento modules would be working?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Anton, none of the API endpoints are changing, and existing integrations like the Magento modules will continue to work. The only thing you’ll need to do is link your Mandrill account with a paid monthly MailChimp account between March 16 and April 27th. We’ll be sending more details on March 16 with instructions for linking.
02.25.2016
Paddy
Being a smaller but long-time customer of Mandrill, I’m not a big fan of this at all. I require a service that is paid for on an adhoc basis, and I find being forced to suddenly subscribe to a service for $20 a month completely unreasonable!! My monthly expenditure on mandrill was about $30 max, and now your making me pay that plus $20! $50 per month is not cool at all…
02.25.2016
Felipe
This is horrible news.
02.25.2016
John Paterson
This is a shame, because it is a good service and we and our 5,000 customers rely on it to send out email campaigns from our CRM system, http://www.reallysimplesystems.com.
Obviously it is your prerogative to can the service. But we’ve spent months of development work integrating our CRM to Mandrill, and it will take us more than two months to select and integrate to a new provider.
Obviously its you decision to drop the service, but two months’ notice is a little sharp, if I may so so. Six months would be more professional and less harsh on your customers.
Can we ask for six months’ notice?
02.25.2016
Dave Smith
I don’t see pricing for the Mandrill add on. Can you point us to a walk-through on how pricing will change for Mandrill users? We don’t really think of our recipients as “subscribers”. So going from $10 to 25k + $0.20 per thousand, how does that translate to Mailchimp billing if we send bills to our customers’ customers, approximately 50,000 per month?
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Dave,
Our FAQ page covers the pricing changes:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
03.01.2016
Jamston
Very disappointing!!!!
02.25.2016
Frederic
How is that the discussion seems to be closed in Mandrill Blog?
Are you afraid to face some dissatisfaction?
The change is paramount for those of us that were sending a few emails monthly. This service was either free or extremely affordable.
This excerpt from Mandrill Blog is confusing at best:
“Mandrill credits will be sold in blocks of 25,000 emails. Blocks will start at $20 per month.”
But considering the whole change I suppose this means that mandrill will cost at least $20 a month what ever the number of emails sent – and it certainly does not take into account the mailchimp fee.
You certainly know that this change will not be appreciated and you are certainly ready for this. However, you could have provided us with some more time to find an alternative solution (at least 4 months).
02.25.2016
Richard West
So the average annual revenue per user was only $15. I can understand why a change was needed. It would have been great to simply drop the 12,000 free emails per month and make everyone pay for sending mail.
As someone who did pay more than the average user I will be very sad to see this service go away.
02.25.2016
Jon Baker
I agree, I would have gladly paid for Mandrill without the free tier, but am not willing to pay the monthly MailChimp costs because I have no use for that. Mandrill’s big benefit was the templating for transactional emails, fortunately I’ve started moving to other frameworks that can do the same thing internally and was already considering moving to SNS. Unfortunately the timetable of 2 months is extremely short and kind of puts me in a bind. This decision very much sours my opinion of MailChimp and I am no longer going to recommend MailChimp to my clients.
02.25.2016
Robert Kennnedy
Hmmm. This is a bummer. We’ve been loving Mandrill as an independent product and currently don’t have a need for Mailchimp.
I’m sure you’ve looked hard at this and it makes sense for you guys though.
For us, for now, however, looks like we’ll have to choose from one of the many other transactional services to handle our automated emails to customers.
02.25.2016
emanuele
I’m sorry hear about this change, i think that i don’t go use mandrill anymore with this new change,
02.25.2016
Rob
I’m a web developer with several clients using Mandrill to legitimize their email transactions. To clarify on pricing, does this mean that my customers, at a minimum, would each need to purchase the $20/month MailChimp subscription PLUS the $20/month Mandrill subscription for a total of $40/month?
I’m drafting an email to them right now, so I’d appreciate if I could get an answer quickly.
Thanks.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi Rob, the smallest monthly MailChimp plan is $10/month, and a single block of 25,000 Mandrill emails will be $20/month for a total of $30/month. We’ll be posting additional details and examples soon, too.
02.25.2016
Scott
Very disappointed to hear this, speaking as a big fan of Mandrill. Looks like I now have extra migration work to do.
02.25.2016
Ian Thomas
You really need to clarify the pricing, as your sites are both still advertising the current pricing. As you’ve only given us two months to evaluate and, if necessary, implement an alternative provider we need this answers ASAP.
The Mandrill blog post says blocks will start at $20/month for 25k emails, but you’re still advertising 25k emails on mandrill.com at $9.95/month.
Mailchimp starts at $10/month for 500 subscribers, or $9 one off for 300 emails.
Are you cancelling the 12,000 Mandrill mail / month plan for existing users?
So, as a user with a 12,000 free Mandrill mail account, how much will it cost me to send 12k Mandrill mails per month after these changes (and no Mailchimp mails)?
– $9 one off and free Mandrill plan?
– $20/month combined Mailchimp+Mandrill plan? (Double the current costs)
– $9 one off and $20/month Mandrill plan?
– $10/month and $20/month Mandrill plan? (TRIPLE the current costs)
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Ian, at a minimum, you’ll need a monthly MailChimp plan ($10/month) and 1 block of Mandrill emails (25,000 emails, $20/month) for a total of $30/month. We’ll be posting additional details and examples soon, too.
02.25.2016
Dennis Stone
I was in the process of filling out your contact form, but might as well make this public with the rest of them.
Will the static IP charges remain the same?
Since you failed to update the website pricing before sending everyone into a panic, what does the $10/month MailChimp account provide? Same as the current freebie account?
You say soon, but since Ben only gave us two months to act I would appreciate information now.
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Additional details about pricing and other questions surrounding the transition have been published here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117-Mandrill-MailChimp-Transition-FAQs
Mandrill dedicated IPs will continue to be $29.95 per month for each IP.
Paid MailChimp plans do include additional features that aren’t available with the free plan, as described in the KB here: http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/upgrade-your-account#Features-of-Paid-Plans
02.26.2016
Yannick Guerdat
Dear Ben,
Nobody like the changes and still less when you think you find a good partner with Mandrill. From a day to the next you change your business model and we need to live with. I need to tell you how sadly I read your message this morning.
We were using Amazon Services since years and decide to switch to your services a year ago. Since them we have been so happy with the quality of your platform. It take us a lot of time and ressources to make this migration working fine and now we need to go back :-(
This decision for me is a step back for your company. I can understand that you need to focus your business on MailChimp but making Mandrill a simple add-on of your solution is not understandable for me.
Your solution was a perfect solution for websites like E-Commerce platforms who need to have a 99.999% transactional mail service uptime. It is absolutely fine for us to can analyze the traffic, the messages sent by customer, time, date, area and much more.
As I can understand this is just a first step and your focus is to try to sell better your marketing automation tool from Mandrill, but you will lost some customers who were using your platform for other goals.
I know that my message will not change anything, but I just hope for you that you took the good decision.
Best regards
02.25.2016
PJ
Party’s over.
02.25.2016
David Bott
Hello…
As a long time user that is on the smaller side of your scale, we do not send out newsletters, but run a community forum that we use Mandrill to send our outgoing mail through for better service and performance. So while our site may have members, we do not have “subscribers” as we are not sending out newsletters but alerts such as “Someone has responded to your post”.
So in knowing that, and seeing it was not addressed, and seeing that MailChimp does everything based on “subscribers”, how will this work? What would the pricing look like? I would have to think this needs mentioned for software such as IP.Board and vBulletin has Mandrill built into it so I am not alone in such questions.
Mandrill provided a great SMTP service service, I do not need a newsletter system, I just need a reliable SMTP service that also helps to make sure our mail goes out and keeps our good name off blacklists. We have a 99.3% delivery rate.
Looking forward to the response as well as others are.
David Bott
02.25.2016
Kaitlin MailChimp
Hey David,
MailChimp does work on a subscriber basis, though your transactional recipients may or may not be on your subscriber list. There’s additional information about this in our FAQ article:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
If you don’t have a need for MailChimp’s marketing features, another SMTP service might be a better fit for your needs. Amazon SES is one option. Also, SparkPost has offered to take on departing Mandrill users and to honor Mandrill’s pricing:
https://www.sparkpost.com/pricing
03.01.2016
Max Hodges
>The MailChimp team built Mandrill in 2012 as a transactional email tool. Mandrill has always been under the MailChimp umbrella, but it has functioned as a completely separate product. Mandrill is now becoming an optional add-on to paid MailChimp accounts.
dumb move. Bunding these products makes Mandrill less competitive. It’s like forcing people to have a Google Music account in order to use Google Drive. This might temporary boost your revenue as some customers will sign up for MailChimp, but in the long run you’re going to be overtaken by transactional services which don’t have this baggage.
02.25.2016
Joe Murray
I created an integration between Mandrill and and a CRM for non-profits, CiviCRM. There are over 400 organizations using this. Is there any possibility of MailChimp/Mandrill offering a free or discounted rate for non-profits?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey Joe, MailChimp offers a 15% discount to nonprofits. With the new consolidated billing (once your MailChimp and Mandrill accounts are linked), the discount will be applied to your MailChimp plan as well as Mandrill’s email blocks.
This KB articles explains how the discount works:
http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/billing/about-mailchimp-discounts#Non-Profit-Discount
We’ll be sending information on March 16 with details about how to connect your Mandrill and MailChimp accounts so you can begin to get those consolidated billing statements.
02.25.2016
James
What’s the minimum paid plan we must have to keep the mandrill service alive?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hey James, at a minimum, you’ll need a paid monthly MailChimp plan ($10/month) and a block of 25,000 Mandrill emails ($20/month). Additional details will be posted soon, too.
02.25.2016
Robert M. Münch
That’s no good news…
“Mandrill is becoming a paid add-on for monthly MailChimp accounts. It will only be available for MailChimp customers who have monthly plans.”
Well, we are a small boutique software company, hence don’t have a high volume, but we need to excel on top-service and quality. So, we use a pay-per-use plan with MC (and for us this is the USP of MC, it just offers more business models).
We use Mandrill from our deployment backend to send out notification emails to users. Using the API we are very flexible and can count on Mandrill to ensure the delivery with all the nitty gritty stuff…
So, do we really need to change service?
02.25.2016
Ahmed Fawzi
Hello
I’m already use Mandrill for more than a year for my company transactional emails,
and now I’m really confused, Mandrill price based on Emails sent in time Mailchamp pricing based on subscribers
can someone tell us more details or how the pricing system will be after this changes?
Thanks
Ahmed
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Ahmed,
There’s more info about pricing on our FAQ page:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
03.01.2016
Robert Milburn
Thank You for the great explanation and the heads up. Mandrill was something we really needed and we invested much time and research before we started using it and then we invested much time and effort getting it working for our businesses and our clients… and now it looks like we need to invest much more to either find a new SMTP service and/or re-program everything to use MailChimp an external newsletter component. Please help me figure out what you think will be our better solution as we are now very confused… do we look for another SMTP service or do we start paying for MailChimp so we can keep using Mandrill? Our businesses and clients use fully integrated systems (mailpoet for our wordpress clients and acymailing for our joomla clients) for creating our subscriptions and customer emails based on memberships / purchases / sign-up forms and we send emails to provide better services to our customers and subscribers. We LOVE Mandrill and we are not sure how to continue going forward as we want one SMTP service to let us use our integrated systems for both one-to-one- and one-to-many. With the time- line you have given us we can quickly replace our SMTP service but will not have time to re-develop all the plugins and components required to change to using MailChimp. What do you suggest? Are we missing something? Why would our businesses and clients want to use a 3rd party newsletter component like MailChimp when all we need is an SMTP service?
02.25.2016
Tim Dorr
Why not do this in stages? Drop the free plan first, change the TOS second, make it a paid addon to MC third, merge all accounts 4th. The way you’ve done it has concentrated all the badness into one event, making it exponentially bad news for your entire customer base.
I feel for your support team. They’ll deserve a raise after all this goes down.
02.25.2016
Florian
While it’s your decision to do with your service what you want, from what I read you are basically tripling the costs for all customers who don’t have / need a Mailchimp monthly account and send less then 25k E-Mails.
I seriously don’t need a free account, I’m happy to pay for every mail I send. But you are now more then three times as expensive as SendGrid (not to mention all the cheap alternatives).
It’s kind of a bold move to do that, wish you alle the best, but even though 20$ a month is not the world, that’s a deal breaker for me.
02.25.2016
Andrew
Due to this bait-and-switch tactic — Mailchimp has completely lost my trust by how they’re handling this price increase — I am now in search of another transactional email provider for myself and my clients.
My favorite feature of Mandrill was that it showed the email details in the outbound list, including subject line and message content (for first 24 hours, which was sufficient for my needs). It made troubleshooting much easier.
I tested out SendGrid yesterday, but it looks like they only show email address – not subject or content.
Does anyone know of another service that would show the additional info?
02.25.2016
Andrew
Yup, another bummed Mandrill user.
I’m still not clear on what the pricing is going to be exacly, all I know it is going to cost us a lot more than we’re paying right now.
I guess Mailgun it is from now on.
02.25.2016
Bart Heimenberg
With over 100 domains and sites configured for MD, I am unhappy. Either I pay or I leave MD/MC and I have to reconfigur the stack sites/domains. I feel like I am pulled in a financial trap. I must admit that I love the MD service and I have no problem in paying a small Monthly fee at the end, but 30 to 35 dollar per month? From 0 to 35? What’s next in the next years?
02.25.2016
David
“Mandrill credits will be sold in blocks of 25,000 emails. Blocks will start at $20 per month.”
Does this mean larger blocks will be less expensive per message? And will credits/blocks expire?
02.25.2016
Kaitlin
Hi David,
Blocks will be purchased on a monthly basis, and any unused credits/blocks will expire at the end of the month. If you pre-purchase more blocks at the beginning of the month, the per-block pricing will be lower.
More information about the pricing model, along with some FAQs, has been added to the Mandrill KB:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.25.2016
Ken
I have a free Mandrill account I just opened a week ago. What level of Mail Chimp do I need to purchase to keep my Mandrill account working? What is the total monthly cost going to be to combine the accounts and keep using Mandrill?
02.25.2016
Howard
Another thought and question. I am a paying Mailchimp and Mandrill user (we pay for a 25k Mailchimp account and a 15k Mailchimp account and pay additional usage for Mandrill) so we fall right into the target range for this new change.
Will Mailchimp customers still get a certain block of free sends per month on Mailchimp Transactional?
Mailchimp customers currently get a certain block of free sends per month. Eg on our account we get a significant number of free sends per month due to a large Mailchimp account (25k users). Is that being phased out?
Is the free tier 12k being phased out as well?
We are sending around 115k transactional emails per month right now, what will our pricing look like for just the transactional component once this change is made?
I think paying customers like us need some clarity on what our costs will be like so we can do proper planning and migrate if needed.
02.25.2016
JP
Does every unique transaction recipient need an associated Mailchimp subscriber? So if I send transactional emails to 200K unique (email) recipients do I need a Mailchimp plan that supports 200K “Subscribers”?
02.25.2016
Jeff Rohrer
If you were to start charging a fee on Mandrill for around $8/month like Spotify and NetFlix, for the relatively small number of emails that are sent from my small e-com site, I’d be willing to stick with you and pay. But force me to merge my Mandrill account and pay for a Mailchimp account that I don’t need right now, and add a Mandrill fee on top of that? No thanks. Time to find an alternative solution.
But thank you for the free service up to this point.
02.25.2016
Jake Wegner
Long-time paid user of both Mandrill and MailChimp.
Disappointed at the change of direction for the Mandrill product to be more tightly integrated with MailChimp…guessing that the current “core” base of Mandrill customers were attracted to the product for the excellent API, dashboard and delivery success rate.
Even understanding that beyond price increases, there is no “short-term” impact to existing Mandrill functionality, I understand the message here loud and clear that Mandrill is pivoting into something to serve MailChimp customers first.
I don’t doubt that MailChimp will be able to do some great integrations with Mandrill to serve its core customers better, but I think it does a great disservice to the (former) Mandrill customers who saw the value of such an excellent email delivery service–especially for use cases and companies where newsletters were never in scope.
Wish that MailChimp could have found another way to leverage an optional tighter integration for MailChimp customers who were already using Mandrill, but with the new direction, I can’t see myself purchasing the MailChimp + Mandrill add-on for future clients and projects.
02.25.2016
Francesco
We convinced several client to use mandrill during the last few years, because it was just fantastic for stuff like password recovery, subscription confirmations, booking services, messages from other users, etc, and they could just verify every email delivery and content when the end user had issues.
My main complaint is that we are already under heavy stress in this period, and now we will have to contact every one of our clients urgently in order to evaluate their options and eventually integrate something else in their apps if they choose so.
But enough complaining. It’s your product and you do what you think it’s best for you. We will have to decide wether we want to continue using it or just switch to something else.
So, please clarify this: I’m not clear if unused emails during the month will be lost or they will remain for the next month. Many of our clients send less than 12k/month, it would be a very tough sell to convince them to spend 20$/month for a few hundreds mails.
02.25.2016
Jesse M
Your fear is correct. I confirmed this with tech support.
It’s $20/month for Mandrill credits and they don’t roll over. Keep in mind that is in addition to a MailChimp account. So at a minimum it will be $30/month no matter how many sends you make under their first block level.
We have several clients who are on both. So some of them are seeing substantial increases in their monthly fees for just sending 500 transactional emails per month.
So far all them have told us they eventually want to get off MailChimp all together. The notice was too short.
03.18.2016
Developer
We generally spend about $100ish per month for Mandrill and have always loved it.. This change is causing us to look at alternatives for sure.. Thanks for the great service in the past but its time to part ways..
02.25.2016
Michael
I’ve got a question about the SPF & DKIM records.
I have my primary domain verified already – but do I need to verify every single sending domains? I have clients that send from their own domain – will these need to be verified in order to send even if it’s sending from a verified account?
Example – I have verified mydomain.com and 90% of my emails from that domain. But I have a couple of emails coming from myseconddomain.com – will this domain already need to be verified?
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey Michael,
Yep, you’ll need to set up SPF and DKIM, and verify all sending domains by April 27. There’s additional info in this FAQ article:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.26.2016
Michal
Hi Ben!
I order to send monthly 5,000,000 transactional emails to 1,000,000 customers we have paid c.a. $1000 till now.
Does it mean after all I will pay:
$4,200 for 1M subscribers plan in MailChimp plus $4,000 for 200 packages in Mandrill plugin?
So $1K billing will growth to $8,2k or ‘only’ from $1k to $4k + $20 for MailChimp account?
Sad story: the whole dev infrastructure we have build was only a temporary trip? Your decision is forcing companies choose sendgrid or SES.
02.25.2016
Paul
Does this mean that we are just required to pay for a Mailchimp account, to use Mandrill, or will how we use the Mandrill service fundamentally change forcing us to modify our projects, to fit with a new API.
The FAQ and this post makes it seem like it’s just a change to the billing procedure and fundamentally nothing will change in the way that we currently use Mandrill from an implementation point of view.
Would you be able to clarify that.
Thanks.
02.25.2016
Austin MailChimp
That’s correct, Paul. We’ll also continue updating the FAQ page as new questions arise, so be sure to check back.
02.26.2016
Matthew
Ben,
The new pricing would mean our annual spend would increase from ~$75 per year to ~$600 per year for a modest ~40k emails per month send rate.
We’ve immediately set-up accounts with SparkPost and GunMail. We have SES on the back burner, too.
Your churlish move catalysed us to seek-out your competitors when we had no intention or desire to do so beforehand.
We never had a “free” service from you (we don’t expect something for nothing)and had you changed the pricing structure to remove or reduce to 12k free emails and modestly increased the $ per 1000 send rate (keeping in mind the market), we would have stayed.
By trying instead to “hostage upgrade” users with a complex two-part pricing plan, you have left a sour taste in the mouth of up to 800,000 users and destroyed trust not only in Mandrill but in the MailChimp brand. This is perhaps the best gift your competitors could have hoped for.
Truly, I’ve been left speechless by the move and, moreover, the execution of this change.
We could have been $250-$300 a year customer – with a potential to grow into $1000+ a year customer as our business grows. To Mandrill we’re now a $0 a year customer and we’ll never trust MailChimp/Mandrill again.
02.25.2016
Peter
I have switched all my sites to SparkPost and it’s the best decision ever since they offer 100k emails / month for free which is way more than we need – and you too so now you save your $75 ;)
03.02.2016
Thomas B
Hi Ben, will the recipient of mandrill transactional emails count as a mailchimp subscribers ? We have actually a lot of different recipients (multi-tenant invoicing) and could not manage to “refuse” to send emails to arbitrary recipients based on an artificial limit.
Suppose we have actually 50k recipients, do we requires a 50k recipient plan ?
02.26.2016
Obinwanne Hill
Mandrill is a great service, but this Mailchimp-bundling strategy is a non-starter and a clear over-reach on your part. It doesn’t matter how much you try to spin it as innovation; that it is not. The comments so far are inline with the basic human expectations of not wanting to get screwed.
In my opinion, you should have just reduced the free tier on Mandrill to maybe 0-1000 emails per month (enough leeway for customers to get setup but not transact in a real way), and then keep with the same price or increase the price slightly. What that would have done is convert a lot of free customers to paid, and anyone who can’t make it work at that price point is probably not your target customer being that it is still at a cost-effective price-point.
At the end of the day, what you want is happy paying customers, right?! There is absolutely nothing wrong with a reasonable price change, because businesses need to adjust pricing from time to time to survive. However, what is unforgivable is forcing customers of Mandrill to get a MailChimp account that they do not need; that is just pure evil. If folks aren’t signing up for MailChimp like you expect, then there’s something wrong with the product, not the customer.
I do hope you reconsider, and apologize to your existing Mandrill customers for what is a truly bad decision made by a good company with a great product.
02.26.2016
Florian
Alright, so a now you published the final costs in the FAQ. Let’s say you currently sent 700.000 mails a month over Mandrill:
Cost old: 144,95$
Cost new: 504$ (Mailchimp account not included)
First I thought you want to focus on big senders, squeeze out the small volumes but for large amounts of mails it’s even worse. I mean, sure you were pretty cheap to begin with but now you are by far the most expensive service there is. 100$ more then Sendgrid is steep, as they are already considered to be really expensive.
From a business point of view it would be really interesting how this turns out. Not a lot of companies do stuff so bold like this. Sadly that’s most likely data you won’t hand out freely, but would be really interesting to know how many customers jump ship after that. (One would think most of them.)
Maybe someone can make a blogpost after a year or so saying how much of Mandrill is left after the change.
02.26.2016
Yannick Guerdat
+1
02.26.2016
Ben MailChimp
After a year or so (and a few drinks), I just might publish something about the results. I can say today that–believe it or not–there is a subset of Mandrill customers (growing small businesses who do heavy data-driven marketing) who want combined functionality and pricing, so it’s not as illogical as it seems on the surface (also, we’ve lost many more potential customers like these by having two separate products and brands). There’s another subset who want a utlitarian service provider, and who would understandably find the new pricing unsuitable.
02.26.2016
Florian
I actually believe anything you say Ben, it’s your company, your move. We all have about 0 insight in your data. The change is drastic, but sometimes that is needed. I’m sure you thought about this a lot, it just seems really wild from the outside.
I’m just curious, in my experience you never know how strategic decisions turn out. Also it’s seldom company make such bold move, so I’m just interested if you (honestly) say “yes we did the right thing” after enough time passed to make a verdict.
So hopefully I’m going to see a “How we made Mandrill the best product ever” Blogpost in due time ;)
03.07.2016
Dom
Is this the best place to ask questions?
02.26.2016
Austin MailChimp
Hey, Dom!
Since you’re a Mandrill user, you can reach out using the Support button in your account with any questions. We’ll be sending additional information on March 16, including the steps you’ll need to take to connect your Mandrill account to a MailChimp account. You might also want to check out this FAQ article:
https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
02.26.2016
Neil
Echoing David Bott above, how does the concept of MailChimp subscribers interact with transactional emails? Will we have to purchase a MailChimp account that covers the number of people we send transactional emails to?
Specifically, we currently have a Mandrill account that we use to send a few hundred thousand transactional emails every month. Will I be okay with just the $10 basic account, even if we’re sending email to more than 500 users?
02.26.2016
Alexandre
Hello,
I like your change so much this is very interesting as mailchimp is a true service with real affordable prices it’s absolutely normal to bring the mandrill user to mailchimp. I’ve used this service a lot and spend thousands of euros because it was really really helpful with a dedicated HTML mail generator and additionaly responsive!
02.26.2016
Elizabeth B
How much I must to pay if I have 30,000 subscribers and I send 90,000 emails for month175USD to Mailchimp and 20USD for Mandrill 195 USD. I am right. I understand that you need monetize Mandrill, why not add the base fee for the free plans. if this is the principal problem. I do not want to use Mailchimp, I would have no problem paying an extra fee Mandrill, but feel forced to use Mailchimp plus the big difference in cost. I think you have excellent service however; I will have to find another option.
02.27.2016
Frederic
I don’t know who set up the timing of this move but honestly, he/she will be responsible for an important degradation in your company reputation.
That’s you right to think that your company interests will be better served by a combination of marketing + transactional email at a very different pricing. To be perfectly honnest, I don’t understand why you could not have a transactional extension to mailchimp (that would obviously be based on mandrill technology) and still keep mandrill product avalaible separately. Obviously it would involve some costs but you could certainly lower the free tier. Anyway, you can do whatever you want. That’s not the problem.
However, providing 2 months to migrate or to accept to pay 10 times more (at best) is really bad.
And your overall post-communication doesn’t feel any better. It feels like if you know it’s bad, you can’t blame us for being somewhat dissatisfied but still that’s how things will do in 2 months of time.
That sounds so weird to me. How can a company takes such a risky move for its reputation.
Who would not be somewhat afraid to invest in your products/technology when it looks like you are able to take decisions without considering the impact on your clients business?
02.27.2016
John Troy
What concerns me most about this change is not the better integration with MailChimp, or the increase in price. I understand Mandrill’s a pretty good bargain, and a free account system can be exploited or just be burdensome to maintain. That’s part I understand. You are a business and need to make strategic changes with the marketplace.
What bothers me is that you have to convert to a monthly Mailchimp plan for this!
This makes no sense. You should be able to also use the Pay as You Go method. Mailchimp supports Pay as You Go. Mandrill is Pay as you go. So why did you make the decision for the new integration to require us to switch to a monthly account. It makes no sense at all from an integration perspective, since the cost of using Mandrill is based on mail credits.
Monthly accounts are not always the best solution. Case in point. We transitioned to Mailchimp in the last year and a half. We have a marketing list that contains almost half a million addresses, but we segment these e-mails based on campaign variables in our own database, and never send to the entire list but rather about 10-15k users per month, so it would be very cost prohibitive to pay a monthly account for this.
And we use Mandrill for a specialized application that creates customized content for each user that can’t be easily integrated into MailChimp, and we love the fact we can easily send MC templates to Mandrill, saving us work.
So, from this perspective, the fact that you are not allowing Mandrill as a PAYG add-on to the core MailChimp system doesn’t make any sense to me. Can you explain the reasoning why you aren’t allowing Mandrill to be an add-on to a PAYG account?
I also have to say that discontinuing or making significant changes to a product with only a 2 month warning window is not considered a very good move in developer communities–I can only accept that type of thing if the business is actually at the verge of shutting down.
You gave advance notice about retiring the 1.x-2.x APIs at the end of this year, but 2 months can be problematic for people who use the Mandrill service to find an alternative. When things like this happen, it causes those of us who have to make the decisions on what products and services to use give pause to continuing existing contracts.
I really hope you will consider PAYG for using Mandrill.
02.27.2016
Martin
I can see the discussion is pretty much over. I’m sorry I missed it. I was kind of busy moving my business to Amazon SES…
First of all, thanks for all those years of good, reliable service. I’ve been a faithful customer and for a good reason too. I’ve recommended Mailchimp to many of my friends in last few years and they keep paying and are quite happy.
Saying that, it’s quite sad that my opinion of the company switched from “extremely trustworthy” to “totally unreliable”. This sudden move of yours makes no sense at all. And as much as I’d like to stay with Mandrill/MailChimp forever and ever it doesn’t make any economical sense to do that anymore.
I’m not a big kahuna here and I don’t send millions of e-mails, but I guess there are many like me out there. So $20 a month as the cheapest option? Come on now. Do you deliberately want to kill your own enterprise?
Now look there: why would I want to stick with Mandrill and pay $20 for 5000 e-mails, if Amazon SES charges me half a dollar for more or less the same service?
Of course I can pay for good service. No question here. But not 40 times more then competition! And not to a company which makes so sudden changes for their completely unprepared customers. What I really pay for is reliability – and that has just gone to a very low level. Far below “excellent”.
And to make things ridiculous, consider this: if I want to send my 5000 e-mails through all the bells and whistles of MailChimp – it is free. But it I want to send the same 5000 mails through Mandrill’s bare SMTP, it is $20.
Does it makes any sense to you? I don’t quite get it.
So one service says 5000 mails is so negligible traffic you can offer it for free, while the other says it is so considerable I need to pay $20. And both are the same company with the same policy.
To sum it up: you offer me to pay for the same service 40 times more than the competition, after you’ve proved I cannot trust you won’t change the conditions dramatically in 2 months from now without warning.
Well, I like you, MailChimp. But you’ve got to be kidding.
I don’t know who concocted that bright marketing plan, but I wish he could see the ironic smile on my face now.
See you around.
Martin
02.28.2016
pete
So 5 days after signing up to $9 a month, spending hours getting the domains validated and working out how it all works, it suddenly escalates to $20 a month, even though I have a PAYG mailchimp account and paying you loads on that.
Shame on you for treating customers like that, I’ll be going elsewhere for mail, and also stop using mailchimp.
02.28.2016
Jay W
The bottom line for a user like me who has less that 500 MC subscribers and sends out less that 2k email per month using Mandrill is that Mandrill will now go from $0 to $30.
For an public school system, this is an enormous tax.
We invested a lot of time making Mandrill work with our websites.
We’re very disappointed and, as some have said before, it’s not like MC is losing money.
02.29.2016
Alan
Comprehensively unimpressed with MailChimp/Mandrill’s proposed change in pricing in that it utterly ignores a large use-case sector, those who use Mandrill for occasional transactional emails.
TL;DR; I used Mandrill to send around 3,000 transactional emails a year (across several websites, contact confirmations, booking confirmations, etc) and it cost $7CDN approx, total. The proposed price model allows me to send 25,000 emails, a month, for $20US, I’d use about 1% of a months value before the next month and each month the wasted $19.98 is kept by MailChimp and I am charged another $20US.
The decision to ignore use-cases like mine is a money grab or disinterest. Either way I am not staying with MailChimp nor following it’s recommended partners (no offence Sparkpost), I’m very imprssed with postmarkapp . com and they pricing is nice and fair, as Mandrill’s was.
Sad day, loved the Mandrill product and a great team behind it.
02.29.2016
Nugget
Interesting business move but I have now moved to sendgrid.
Thanks for the service.
02.29.2016
Amir
How does it work for those with multiple mandrill API keys in one account?
03.02.2016
Chris
I love MailChimp and Mandrill, they offer some great features. I’ve been using MailChimp since I started my business and Mandrill not long after.
$25/month was a little on the higher end of what I wanted to pay, but I was happy to pay this for the features I was getting and with Mandrill also included in that price, I could handle it.
Now, I’m going to need to pay almost twice as much ($45) a month for the same thing. I could possibly even handle paying $20 for 500,000 email credits that had no expiry date, but $20 a month for most of that to go unused is a no-go for me.
I’ve found another large provider that will offer similar services to both MailChimp and Mandrill in a single platform for $0 a month. Unfortunately there’s going to be work involved to move across, but I’m glad I looked around.
So long, and thanks for the chimp toy.
03.02.2016
Chris
I should also add, I wouldn’t mind if Mandrill became a “Paid MailChimp Customers only” service (which would alleviate a lot of the fraudulent customers as seems to be the concern), as I’m already paying that. It’s just the fact that my monthly bill for the 2 services is going to almost double. Made it worth the effort to move.
03.02.2016
Sjoerd
The end of Mandrill and Mailchimp ???
This will cost you a lot of customers. Not only the free-customers users but alsothe customers of € 9,95 per month for a few e-mails.
– More secure sending of e-mail is OK. Spammers are a big problem in the world.
– Integration with template designing in transactional e-mail can be a good idea. Also to pay a litle amount of money for that extra service is not a big problem.
But give customers the choice for the price-plan!
When you change the priceplan like this it is not fair and friendly business for your valued customers! Pricing will increase with 400% per april!
There is nothing new on the product. Why increase it all with 400%. Pay more for same product with only a new productname?
1. Blocks of 25.000 credits for € 20,- are not OK. Every month your remaining credits will be lost. If you sent 25.500 e-mails in a month you have lost 24.500 credits for that month. In the old-price plan it was in blocks of 1.000 e-mails above 25.000. With starting price € 9,95 for first range. It is more fair because you never end at 24.999 e-mails.
Very unfair price-model. Not used blocks is 100% profit for Mailchimp. The systems are not used a minute for unused blocks. Average € 10,- profit per month per customer!
Why not per block of 1.000 e-mail / € 2,- per block! Small business users have some advantage. Also you only have a problem at the end of the month for max 1.000 remaining e-mails. (€ 2,-)
2. Integration with template designing in transactional e-mail can be a good idea. Also to pay a litle amount of money for that extra service is not a big problem.
But please give customers the choice for the price-plan. You don’t want to pay the complete hotel when you only rent one room!
Please think about your new pricing! Better have 800.000 customers pay € 15,- per month than 100.000 customers pay € 30 per month.
I am not sure what to do. Mandrill is good but maybe other services are also OK. Amazon Ses / Sendgrid / Sparkpost.
They have the same service with webhooks etc. Only no templating from MailChimp. E-mail templates are not changing every day. The design are integrated in the CRM. To pay thousands of euro’s extra for some templates you maybe can use?
03.02.2016
Kathy
How do i figure out what my monthly expense is when my 2 accounts merge? Is it simply based on the number of unique email addresses we are sending to regardless of whether it’s transactional or marketing? Thanks!
03.07.2016
Brandon MailChimp
Hey Kathy,
Mandill will be a paid add-on for monthly MailChimp accounts, so your monthly expense would be the cost of your MailChimp plan combined with cost of the Mandrill blocks you’ve purchased. For example, if you have a $10/month MailChimp plan and purchase 1 block of Mandrill credits for $20, your total cost would be $30/month.
In the above scenario, the $10/month would allow you 0-500 subscribers for MailChimp sending, and then the block of Mandrill credits (25,000 emails) would be for your transactional email.
Check out this article for additional FAQ and pricing details.
04.06.2016
Olivier
So bad.
I will spend the time to move away from mandrill, instead of spending the same money or more in a new plan. That, plus risking another price increase in the future.
03.16.2016
Josh
Ben: I can’t seem to find the answer to this anywhere. Will I now be charged for sending Mailchimp newsletters in Mandrill also?
In other words… If I send a newsletter to 25,000 people, will I be charged for a $20 Mandrill block on top of my monthly Mailchimp expense?
03.16.2016
Brian
If two separate “brands” don’t make sense why not just spin Mandrill off to its own company? Like many, I only have transactional needs — no need at all for marketing template integration. This move seems good for MailChimp only, not for customers.
03.17.2016
Clint
Regarding your most recent email… no thanks. Your new “deal” is worse than dramatically raising your prices. It’s like your stacking your first bait-and-switch with a new bait-and-switch. It’s a little late to do the right thing at this point and salvage your brand. I’m now using my Mailchip teeshirt as a rag in my garage.
03.17.2016
Pete
Whilst we did actually use Mailchimp as well as Mandrill for ecommerce I don’t foresee us using Mailchimp indefinitely. As a small-medium business, it’s important we aren’t too tied into services and whilst we’d have happily continued to use Mandrill for a fair price, we’ve just now moved to another trans email provider that gives us more control, with or without Mailchimp attached.
Also, Mandrill’s block pricing is way above our output of about 3,000 emails per month so the cost means a lot of wasted money. Sorry Mandrill. You’ve been great, but you’ve left the little guys behind. Moving on.
03.20.2016
Haluk ÜNAL
I have $17.59 balance at mandrill. How can I use that balance without have paid account at mailchimp after 27 April?
03.21.2016
Brandon MailChimp
Hey there, if you decide to open a paid monthly MailChimp account and merge your Mandrill data, your outstanding Mandrill balance will be converted to MonkeyRewards Credits, which can then be used to purchase blocks of Mandrill emails.
If, however, you have an outstanding Mandrill balance but would prefer not to open a MailChimp account, your best bet will be to contact support. They’ll be able to assist with closing your Mandrill account and can answer any questions you have regarding your remaining credits.
04.06.2016
Isabel
And this Monkey Rewards can be used to pay the MailChimp plan? We still have like $100 in Monkey Rewards but we couldn’t use them for the migration… can these “Rewards” be used on the next billing of $30 ($10 of MailChimp and $20 of Mandrill block)?
04.27.2016
Brandon MailChimp
Hi Isabel — yes, any MonkeyRewards credits that you might have can be used towards your MailChimp plan and/or to purchase blocks of Mandrill emails.
05.18.2016
Adam
Will the pricing ratio remain about the same? At the moment there’s about a 20:1 ratio in cost per e-mail con Mailchimp vs Mandrill. Will this remain the same and thus allow for people wanting to send mass marketting emails to use Mandril and get a bigger bang for buck?
03.21.2016
Brandon MailChimp
Hey Adam, you’ll find pricing details and FAQs about the transition here: https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/217467117
04.06.2016
marco
So am I right?
I need to pay for Mailchimp (MIN 10,-) PLUS for transactional EMail (payed addon) also MIN 20,- which is 30,00 per Month???
04.25.2016
Brandon MailChimp
That’s correct, Marco. MailChimp monthly plans start at $10/month, and Mandrill credits are sold in blocks of 25,000 emails, starting at $20/block. For full pricing information, visit the Mandrill and MailChimp pricing pages.
05.19.2016
Erik Pearson
From early information, perhaps a quick reading, and without actually immersing myself into the new scheme, I was under the impression that a the cheapest mail chimp account would cover mandrill. I thought that if I couldn’t port my 3 year old mail sending app by the deadline, no problem, I could deal with that. And seeing the flexibility in mailchimp accounts, I just didn’t sweat it.
As others have expressed, I was happy with my little Mandrill account — it has chugged away, serving my equally chugging email queuing app for the last few years with nary a hiccup. Heck, I was blissfully unconcerned that other companies offered the same service for free, happy I was to shell out $5 or maybe even $10 a month due to the years of reliable service. The only trepidation was the creepy feeling that I’d be forced to purchase a service I would never use. Still, if I got to keep my Mandrill…
Then came crunch time, and I found that mandrill users were being screwed.
Yes, I just plunked down $30 for my handful of emails, because I couldn’t dust off the old web app code fast enough and, well, time is money, or rather, lost sleep. So, here I am disgusting with myself as much as the mail chimp folks, who after all are just in the business of clogging the e-waves with junk, really, so one shouldn’t be surprised. Hey, at least it’s not trees, just the climate. I’ll just have to rewrite the web app code at the earliest opportunity and get outa here.
04.27.2016
Nick Rivers
It’s really a sad day. It’s like leaving a partner you’ve been dating for so long. We’re leaving Mandrill/Mailchimp today and taking our emails over to Mailjet.
We still love you Mailchimp.
04.27.2016
César
Not only have you cut down the email sending, you have disabled all the links sent to users too!
But not happy with that, my “Free Mailchimp account” doesn’t give me access to tech support? Are you serious?!!!!
You guys seriously burnt me.
04.28.2016
Jim
This was not a good change. Unfortunately the people alienated by this change are those who make technical decisions for clients. I have previously recommended mailchimp to clients and used mandrill on more technical projects. I will recommend that clients specifically not use mailchimp in the future.
05.01.2016
Hana M
Hello,
where can I retrieve my Mandrill data? I got no alert that it will be deleted and it’s very important, why can’t I log in just to view my sending history???
05.10.2016
Brandon MailChimp
Hi Hana. Logging in to Mandrill directly is no longer possible. You’ll want to go to mandrillapp.com and contact Mandrill support for assistance regarding any data for your account.
05.19.2016
C.J. Land
Agree 100%. Bad move. We will be moving to: https://www.smtp2go.com as of today. What I find completely offensive is that we put so much effort into moving from Mandrill to Mailchimp (which was a fluster-cluck to say the least) to find out the Terms of Use will no longer allow us to send out newsletters to an opted-in list using Mandrill.
Very sad say as I will no longer be able to recommend Mailchimp or Mandrill going forward.
Good luck on your new direction as company. You will be rebuilding your reputation from ground up as you have done a wonderful job destroying the reputation that you have in one swift move.
05.20.2016