I just came across a fascinating, albeit old, article about influencers: Is the Tipping Point Toast?
and it reminded me of a blog post I was supposed to write about this topic. Better late than never. Here goes…
If you’re from the marketing world, you know Seth Godin. He is what marketers call “an influencer.”
You probably dream of the day he blogs about you or puts you in one of his books, because that kind of endorsement means instant fame and profit for you, right? Maybe you send him emails or jokes or interesting articles to get his attention (guilty as charged). It doesn’t work. Influencers really don’t want to be influenced. Most of them (the good ones, at least) probably don’t even think of themselves as influencers. They just try to be useful, and wonder why so many people keep sending them free samples of crap.
Anyway, I gave up trying to influence the influencers years ago. Much more productive to — I dunno — focus on your customers, and make your product more awesome, in order to make them more awesome? Besides, some of the influencers I’ve known (the bad ones) really abuse their influence and get all “high maintenance.” Maybe they deserve the attention, but they do tend to distract from focusing on your business.
But one day, Seth Godin actually sat down next to me for breakfast at a Business of Software event.
He was polite. Asked me about my business and all. I tried to stay cool, even though I know I was sweating profusely and fighting back a turdle (sorry, but Seth just sat down right next to me people!). I briefly explained email marketing (to a guy who kinda helped create the industry), but I didn’t want to act like a sleazy salesman. He gets enough pitches, so I shut up. Besides, he seemed more interested in pizzanomics. Told me he’d been thinking about it a lot, and even drew a graph on the back of a napkin for me. He asked for my business card. I think he chuckled at the chimp logo. It was an interesting encounter, but I didn’t make much of it (other than make a mental note to blog about pizzanomics).
Then, more than a year later, and completely out of the blue, he mentioned MailChimp on his blog. It was on December 3rd, 2009. Hot damn, I finally got my Seth post.
And here’s what it did to our traffic:
The analytics professionals among you will notice right away that there was no magical spike.
Let’s zoom in a little closer:
Among all the referrers that day, he added 701.
And if we stretch the time span out, you’ll see that the traffic from his blog died down pretty quick:
Granted, the conversion rate (visits to free-trial signup) of people that Seth referred in that same time period was 25% better than the site average. In terms of website conversion rates, a 25% improvement is very significant.
But it’s not like his blog post killed our servers, or continues to pay traffic dividends or anything.
So if you had x dollars to spend, should you focus it on trying to influence the influencers? Not worth it, imho.
Don’t get me wrong. Seth is still my hero, and I actually think it’s critical to know who the influencers are in your industry. More specifically, who the influencers are for your customers.
At the very least, memorize their faces, because you never know when one of them might plop down next to you at breakfast.
More importantly, you need to know who they are so that you can learn why the heck they’re so darn influential. This Ted talk from Simon Sinek (thanks for the link, Stephen) offers some clues:
Sinek explains the reason some people (and companies) are so much more successful (aka influential?) is because they know that “People don’t buy what you do. They buy why you do it.”
So what’s the “why” that makes your influencers so influential?
Here’s that article again: Is the Tipping Point Toast?
Also related to “influentials:” check out slide 159 in The Real Life Social Network v2



Great post Ben!
I’ll have to second this post’s premise. Last summer I was working with a small non-profit youth program (www.alertacademy.org) and we were featured on a national news program. We experienced a huge spike in web traffic and calls – (even took down the servers for a while). However we only had one young man come though the program and he didn’t event complete it.
Yep, I know exactly what you mean. I’ve found that the results from big influencers, over time, is good. It all adds up. Influencers seem to also beget more influencers, which is nice. But specifically allocating resources to “go after influencers” is a waste imho.
Ben,
Awesome post!
I wonder if the idea of the having the right influencers vs an influencer makes the difference. Seth is brilliant and persuasive but he may not offer the Oprah effect for many spaces (as demonstrated by your post).
If you had written a world changing book you on Marketing or persuasion or change it may be different. Godin’s ppl come to him for inspiration and thought innovation not necessarily for product recommendations or tactics He’s a catalyst and disruptor of the status quo in strategy. He turned me onto Jay Levinson and,in turn, got turned onto Michael Gerber: the tacticians.
I think if you have a number of speakers who write and speak on the tactical aspects of marketing (like Jay Levinson) endorsing MailChimp, the impact of influence may be different and more long lasting.
On another tack, if Godin shifted his email marketing delivery to MailChimp (and said nothing about it) yet left on the MC badging that might result in a different graph than the one above.
Cheers,
Jay
Hi Jay, thanks. And I don’t mean to discount influencers *too* much. Just the practice of trying too hard to influence them. It can be a huge waste of time (time that you could be spending on your business) trying to get their endorsement, or their validation. Also, it’s entirely possible that I simply suck at schmoozing w/influencers.
Re: validation: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2010/06/validation-might-be-overrated.html
Ben,
I totally agree that trying to woo influencers is a huge waste of time and could backfire too.
I think making yourself a “remarkable” organization and deliver a “purple cow” to the tiny influencers in large numbers is a better strategy.
Thanks for sharing (even if it did include the turdle.)
Cheers
Great post, Ben! This really got me thinking about two things:
1. I can’t believe I’ve gone all these years not knowing how to properly spell turdle.
2. I need to do a better job at identifying who the influencers for my customers are and why they’re so influential. Of course, I already know of some of them — but really only the ones that appeal to me personally.
Also, I really liked the article from fast company; there were some good arguments made on both sides of the fence.
So this brings up another thought. I often analyze the success of other products to see what I can I adopt into my own. Am I wasting my time here? I’m sure there’s some value, but how much value am I really getting out of this?
For example, take MailChimp: I often recommend MailChimp to other people and I just plain love the product. Why? Lots of reasons but mainly because it’s got a great UI, lots of personality, and I’ve actually learned what to do (and avoid) to create more effective email campaigns.
So my takeaways are: focus on the UI, inject personality (I worry about turning off users here, but who wants stuffy users anyway?), and teach my users how to write better proposals through various means (not just the blog).
I think those are valuable lessons and can be applied to most any product, but the question is, by not focusing specifically on what influences my users how much am I missing out on?
Hi ben,
Good post. I agree with you in that time spent influencing influencers can be best spent on product. That is why you outsource an agency to do that or assign one guy to it while 5-10-100 people work on the product. That means you cannot write off influencers and PR with that argument.
then, i agree with jay, finding the right awareness is not as straightforward. Seth is influential to change your attitudes, not to try an email service ( your insight is really helpful here ).
But also, is not fair that you would expect much from
a) A shared mention with another email provider that is mentioned before in the copy ( i am sure they got double visits than you )
b) A mention within a checklist of 12 things to do.
Also, let’s remember that the funnel of online marketing doens’t exist as we wished. A lot of people may end up clicking on a mailchimp ad because they remember the mention a few weeks later it happened.
Just being picky, your article is very good!!!
Great feedback, thanks.